Saturday, September 22, 2007

Three months has passed...

I almost forgot about it, but it has now been over three months since the Medison Celebrity was made available for purchase trough medisoncelebrity.com. Time for them to celebrate maybe? Or maybe not, since they haven't really sold any...
It doesn't seem like they want to give up though. Customers who has contacted Medison has received replies like:

"We are sorry, but just now you can't order any laptops because we are busy completing the delivery of the ones we have already sold.
Once that has been done, we will resume taking new orders.
Please check our website later for more information."

and

"At this time can't give a precise date for the delivery but we do ask you to be patient. We hope that you are satisfied with this reply, please don't hesitate to contact us if there are any other questions."

Sounds very convincing and trustworthy, doesn't it?

127 comments:

MedisonFanBoy said...

They finally are getting their act together... Bravo!

Anonymous said...

I'll rather wait for the "Thanksgiving's" sales, to get a cheap Laptop. For those living outside USA, that's the biggest shopping day in US, and you can get really good rebates. Even if you may not get a $150 Laptop, you may be able to get something! Even if you get it on the Internet, you will know how much the shipping will be. I guess if Medison comes out with something, they'll charge you outrageous shipping and "handling" to make some money, I don't believe in "Philanthropists" .

Peter said...

medison fanboys, keep dreaming. It's very cool that 2CO and Medison can sell a laptop for only US$150 but don't forget it doesn't exist, never did and never will.

They could as well have set the price at US$50 or just give it away for free.

Nevertheless, you could say that Medison is a business of selling a dream and the great thing is they offer you the money back after some time so you lose nothing :-)

Isn't that way cool?

Jan Tångring said...

People are telling you you are not a journalist? You are definitely a journalist and a very good on at that. And you are doing an excellent job on this story.

Keep it up!

/ Jan Tångring, Elektroniktidningen

Anonymous said...

Yes, keep it up. Clearly the few - but incredibly loud - critics we've seen commenting here have some kind of vested interest in 2co or Medison type of activities somewhere. Excellent blog indeed!!!

Anonymous said...

yeah like they said you doing a great job :D

cc said...

peter said: "Nevertheless, you could say that Medison is a business of selling a dream and the great thing is they offer you the money back after some time so you lose nothing :-)"

Now I just realized that I was so wrong about believing the medison laptop is a scam. Ivancic has created a most innovated business model on earth!

Peter said...

Mr. Jan Tångring, great to see someone from the tech press here who seems to have got it right.

Hopefully the rest of the press will start to wake up to what was a completely impossible business from the very beginning.

george k. said...

By the way I was really messin' with you in the previous thread.

You're just all a bunch of losers.

Anonymous said...

George, how do you define a loser?

To me it appears more like you are in that category.

We can all see that there are one or more guys writing in this blog who don't have more IQ than Valdi himself. Or perhaps you are indeed Valdi.

amphibia said...

The following characters are all mine (with the exception of few posts imitating my imitations):

Revae Bregae (eager beaver reversed)
George K.
The Guy With The Glasses
Valdi Ivancic
Dyslexix
e (2CO Staff)
galo/geno (2CO Staff)
Shrink
The Blog Itself
Bagdad Bob
Blog Cop
Tulip Sniper
Roger Ebert

As you see, I've too much time on my hands. Why that's so is anyone's guess.

"The Guy With The Glasses" represents my true opinion on the matter.

I'm sorry for the spam, and hope you enjoyed some of the jokes. I'm not going to post here anymore. See ya.

Anonymous said...

Well, amphibia, thank you for sharing your disorders with us :P

Tommy, wasn't the money back guarantee 3 months. Words mean nothing to these people. If September passes and 2CO doesn't release all orders, we'll have to accept the "deadline" was just a plot to buy more time.

Jul Tomten said...

Just wait 3 more months and guess who will be coming to your home with a laptop..... Santa ! For all those true believers...Xo..Xo...Xo...

Tommy TruthSeeker said...

"Tommy, wasn't the money back guarantee 3 months."
Correct. The reason that I don't mention it is because that gaurantee was invalid from the start, since no money had been drawn from customers accounts at that time. Just a decoy.

sup /b/ said...

The third month passing only shows how unreliable 2CO is as a business. They have done nothing for the customers rights, they have even stated that they will do everything for the merchant (which is after all where they get all the money from). You have done (and still is doing) a great job on reporting on this Medison scam, and ignore those who are on Medison/2CO's side because most of us already know the truth behind Medison (aka. Valdi Ivancic) and this entire deal.

Valdi Ivancic needs to be charged or sued because of this unsuccessful attempt to fraud (and he will be, in the coming months), or who know, maybe it even was successfull for him if his plan was something unrelated to laptops.

Peter said...

amphibia, some of your comments were ok. But frankly speaking, if too many of your type wrote comments in this blog, the blog would lose its appeal.

Personally I am shocked to see how people in general and even 2CO took Medison serious.

It says a lot about us humans and how easy we are to manipulate.

Valdi seems to be a good manipulator and if he had tried to become prime minister of Sweden before the Internet era, he might actually have had a chance.

I strongly believe that that if the Internet had existed in the 1940s the 2nd World War would not have happened; as Hitler would have been a major topic online and in blogs; and a lot of people would have pulled his pants down.

Anonymous said...

Does goodwin's law apply to blogs too?

Peter said...

Yeah, let's not get into that.
This blog needs real news.

It's interesting how Valdi has avoided updating his web site with any level of information or news after the product was announced.

Did anybody actually ever view the www.medison.se web site BEFORE July?

My suspecision is that the page with "Latest news" was written around mid July including all the "made up news" from before July about the Brazilian factory.

Any comments?

Anonymous said...

Wasn't the domain itself registered around july?

Anonymous said...

if the Internet had existed in the 1940s the 2nd World War would not have happened; as Hitler would have been a major topic online and in blogs; and a lot of people would have pulled his pants down.


Godwin indeed ;) But this is wrong, peter: look as close as Bush and the war USA leads worldwide.

Being informed minority still isn't enough when the majority decides with their vote, let alone when the votes are rigged.

Kriss3d said...

Ive been following the medison affair for the past month. I wouldnt call it a scam unless people actually lose money.
Since Valdi hastn really scammed a single person, the only ones i can see losing money would be 2CO. Since I must admit 2CO having a hard time fighting uphill and lacking answers which should have been answered from the beginning as soon as the problems starts occuring.
If the costumers are completely left out, there will be no costumers in the future and 2CO will be the company who will get blamed. Nobody will want that. Hence 2CO ought to protect the costumers but ofcourse as well the companies.

No costumers = no money.

Anonymous said...

I would call it a scam, since a number of orders were in fact marked as shipped by Valdi, and then canceled.

I really think, since he couldn't get any advertisers to pony up any money before laptops were being shipped (that's if there were any advertisers in the first place), he tried to get some money out of 2c0 to buy some low spec laptops and ship those to prove legitimacy. But he was hoping 2c0 would release the money before they verified delivery, which they did not do. So, now Valdi is broke, 7000 orders to fill with no laptops, no factories, no shipper, no nothing.

Anonymous said...

"I strongly believe that that if the Internet had existed in the 1940s the 2nd World War would not have happened; as Hitler would have been a major topic online and in blogs; and a lot of people would have pulled his pants down."

Sorry, Peter, but that's an illusion. In fact, the number of wars since 1945 have continuously increased, ESPECIALLY in the years between 1995 and 2004! Exactly when the internet became an important medium worldwide, the number of wars reached its peak...

Anonymous said...

"When I stood silent, everyone doubted I may be stupid. When I spoke, I confirmed any doubts."

This applies to someone here who posts too much.

Anonymous said...

"When I stood silent, everyone doubted I may be stupid. When I spoke, I confirmed any doubts."

This applies to someone here who posts too much.


Who are you talking about, Valdi? :-)

Anonymous said...

"In fact, the number of wars since 1945 have continuously increased, ESPECIALLY in the years between 1995 and 2004!"

A few words about early internet :
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency(DARPA), ARPANET and NLS.

Anonymous said...

Have you guys considered that the number of wars between ancient African tribes a couple of millenia ago was even more numerous. In fact, there was probably several thousand wars going on at any given time in prehistoric times.

And the connection to Medison is... uhm..wait...

marketer said...

I need my Valdi Fix ...

It gets boring without any comments ... Please Valdi, let us know when you will deliver ... I think that you should be going step-by-step in organizing a press-conferance .... Even a little press-release with a few spelling errors would suffice .... please ...

amphibia said...

Be patient, he's still working on his press release.

It starts as this:

"You want delivery time? You want laptops? You want site updates? You want press conferences? Ok: "

He's working on the rest for the past 3 weeks.

Peter said...

Yes, I believe we are now quite a few who are starting to hallucinate due to the lack of the good old ridiculous news from Medison.

Valdi, we need some good news from you, like for example, you lowered the price to US$140, you just made your own global service center in Brazil or now have one million customers. You know, things like that...

Peter said...

Yes, I believe we are now quite a few who are starting to hallucinate due to the lack of the good old ridiculous news from Medison.

Valdi, we need some good news from you, like for example, you lowered the price to US$140, you just made your own global service center in Brazil or now have one million customers. You know, things like that...

Anonymous said...

I can't wait to read all of the commentaries and whiny complaints of the "hobby customer protection" people on this blog in 9 months from now, when still no laptops will have been delivered.

I'm also eager to hear about TT's next blog, which presumably will finally uncover the truth that cars do have 4 wheels!!!

Peter said...

I agree with the 4 wheels, but some people like Valdi live in a different world though...

http://static.scribd.com/docs/8hida3nig5heu_files/image001.jpg

amphibia said...

peter, how old are you.

Anonymous said...

Pete said,

I just received an e-mail from info@medisoncelebrity.com
I sent “Hej vill bara testa”, like Hi just a test. 13 days ago.
_____________________________________________________
Dear xxxx,
Thank you for writing to us.
We are very sorry, but just now you can't order any laptops because we are
busy completing the delivery of the ones we have already sold.
Once that has been done, we will resume taking new orders.
Please check our website later for more information.

Best Regards,
Medison / Christina

www.medisoncelebrity.com


----- Original Message ----
From: My namexxxx xxxxxxxxhotmailcom
To: info@medisoncelebrity.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:53:04 AM
Subject: Hej vill bara testa.

New staff or is it Kristin at 2co?

Peter said...

Something real...

The One Laptop Per Child product is now available for US$200 - but it looks like you have to buy two to get one for yourself:

http://www.xogiving.org

Comtec said...

I love that the OLPCs are available like that. It's a pity that the original attempt at 100 USD is far gone (200USD now) but buying two for 400, with the intent that one goes to a child somewhere is a nice way to do it IMHO.

Anonymous said...

"but buying two for 400, with the intent that one goes to a child somewhere is a nice way to do it IMHO."

I'm not sure it's a nice way to do it. If anything, those machines cost $182, why sell it at 400 and not 376. At those prices it matters.

Second, this machine is built to run in a place with no wifi, no electricity and withstand more sand/dust and minor child abuse (possibly).

This is useless to anyone who has $400 to spend on a computer.

The governments pa for those computers, and that's why they are cheap, so the governments can afford it.

It should've been support enough that people would buy those at all, since more sold units = more savings from scaled up manufacturing.

It'll fail miserably on the western EU / US markets.

Peter said...

Actually US$200 is quite cheap for the OLPC. For US$200 the laptop could be a hit anywhere if good software is available.

With the logistical costs of distributing laptops in poor nations, support, warranty repairs and the engineering costs etc. there isn't room for any profit.

The OLPC project already have a fair amount of people involved and you can see on their career section what kind of additional staff they need to pull something like this off.

http://www.laptop.org

Then on the other side we have the one-man company Valdi...

But Valdi and OLPC share one problem and that's the ability to judge overall costs of producing and supporting a product like this.

I'm pretty darn sure that OLPC and their original somewhat ridiculous US$100 target helped inspire Valdi in his US$150 laptop idea.

Kriss3d said...

Im still hoping. Im pretty sure Valdi was aware that he would not get any money from 2CO untill they were shipped. Why make a scam if you cant benefit from it at all ?
But this whole thing does smell more and more.. Valdi as swedish president ???

Anonymous said...

But this whole thing does smell more and more..

We're past that. It can't smell more anymore.

Just stop forcing yourselves to be "worried" about this non-story anymore and move on with your lives.

Tommy and the community did their best. No worth fretting over it today.

Valdi's a loser who'll die poor and alone. It's his problem, the world is not perfect.

Anonymous said...

But it's $400, and not $200, Peter.

The fact that it costs them $188 means nothing if I can only buy it at $400.

They have done everything wrong to drive the commercial version of this laptop into a very tight niche.

The buyers need to be both geeky enough to care about a non-standard underpowered laptop, rich enough to give $400 for something that costs $200 and is worth around $100 (remember, commercial buyers can't make use of the meshing wifi, sturdier design and hand crank - they have access to the standard means of getting those services), and feels generous about poor kids abroad.

Guys who meet all criteria and hence care to buy the laptop are probably one in a thousand. Or less.

They should've done the full commercial release:

1. Sell it for ~ 1.25 the price of a normal laptop (i.e. at $250, 4 people buy one, one kid gets a free laptop abroad)

2. Develop special software that makes the computer more useful in modern urban environment, so people buy it because it provides them with real value, not just out of pity for the poor kids.

3. Advertise is at schools and parents in developed countries so it has a chance to become a platform and thus provide even more value.

They are doing none of this. Instead they just tell you "here's this overpriced gimmick made to work in a desert. You buy it for twice the price and are free to throw it in a garbage can afterwards".

The campaign WILL FAIL.

Whether the main mission of the machine will fail (provide the OLPC as a platform in poor countries), now that's a completely different story.

And Peter, I'm really scared you won't agree with any of this, considering you claim to work in consumer product R&D. Do they never teach product R&D guys how to make products that actually sell?

Anonymous said...

More trouble for 2co?

http://www.2checkout.com/community/support/topic.php?id=374&page&replies=4

Anonymous said...

That's not trouble for 2CO, that's just regular business in this industry.

If you honestly believe no other payment provider (or reseller) ever hand problems with their vendors...

It's how they handle those things that matters, not whether they occur or not.

Comtec said...

While I agree OLPC has done many things wrong, I think it's a bit cruel to declare so boldly they will fail.

Mind you they have made dozens of mistakes nearly anyone with more common sense would not have made. Probably it's all politics involved.

I have the €uros to throw away, and it's for (I hope) a good cause. I am that 1:1000 geek, and I don't care. it's a toy, and a donation, nothing more.

Peter said...

anonymous said:

And Peter, I'm really scared you won't agree with any of this, considering you claim to work in consumer product R&D. Do they never teach product R&D guys how to make products that actually sell?

It's funny you should ask. I believe I have a pretty good sense of that. Afterall, you can find several million happy customers of things I've managed. Maybe you are one of them.

Now I'm not going to defend OLPC and if you read my comment it was purely aimed to say that US$200 is a pretty darn cheap price for that laptop everything considered.

I'm aware you can't actually get it for that price of course.

Compare it for example with an Apple iPod Nano with 8GB at the same price.

But if this was a commercial laptop sold at US$200 in the normal retail channels it would surely fail as a too underpowered laptop and with no profit margin to sustain the business.

But OLPC is aiming for a totally different type of market where governments might be the customer.

Anonymous said...

A company who tries to sell a "ghost" product, no customer info, no real product to show, the people running the show hides and HA HA a web site which looks like a 5 year old made it. It's clearly a scam, or a REALLY IDIOTIC way to start and run a successful business. What a bunch of unbelievable dumb fools. LOL!

Anonymous said...

Wait, maybe there is hope!


After a little digging, I turned up
Valdi Imports LLC

It doesn't say it's customized for every country though. And, no FCC approval.

Anonymous said...

"Afterall, you can find several million happy customers of things I've managed. Maybe you are one of them."

Name few, and I'll let you know if your guess is right.

Anonymous said...

Dear sup /b/
Don't be a fucking whore. This blog has anonymity, use it. Rules one and two, you piece of shit.

In regards to the blog, keep it up. I love reading it. I'm very hopeful it isn't a scam, but all of this info is a wonderful tool in helping me figure that out. I'm still hopeful, but doubtful.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said: I'm still hopeful.

Besides the fact that Valdi has no laptop to deliver it's great you are an optimistic person.

2CO calls that fact a logistical problem by the way. It sounds better than the truth.

Keep hoping forever!

amphibia said...

Let me sum up the comments we had last few articles:


- Tommy you attack 2CO!
- No, 2CO suck, they should be sued.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- Tommy you attack 2CO!
- No, 2CO suck, they should be sued.
- FCC.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- FCC.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- I'm optimistic!
- Tommy you attack 2CO!
- No, 2CO suck, they should be sued.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- Tommy you attack 2CO!
- No, 2CO suck, they should be sued.
- FCC.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- FCC.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- I'm optimistic!
- Tommy you attack 2CO!
- No, 2CO suck, they should be sued.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- Tommy you attack 2CO!
- No, 2CO suck, they should be sued.
- FCC.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- FCC.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- I'm optimistic!
- Tommy you attack 2CO!
- No, 2CO suck, they should be sued.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- Tommy you attack 2CO!
- No, 2CO suck, they should be sued.
- FCC.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- FCC.
- I'm optimistic!
- Why you're optimistic! The laptop doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist! Doesn't exist!
- I'm optimistic!

2CO said...

We are pleased to inform you that the logistic problem is now finally resolved and according to Valdi, he has decided to use one of his many skills (his truck driving skills) and bring out the laptops by himself.

Yes, we've confirmed everything and he has in fact a license!

We are also happy to inform you that the FCC ID number exist and we will get it soon.

Please return and redo your order if you got it canceled.

2CO is proud to be the reseller of the world's cheapest laptop computer.

Anonymous said...

In order to further confirm Goodwin's law, let me add this comment:

If the Internet would have existed already in the 1940s, then not only WWII would never have occurred, but also whole Europe would be dominated by the Germans and everyone would posess a little 'Volkscomputer', where the command key (called 'Fuhrer' key) would bear a little swastika symbol.

The Volkscomputer would be ruggedized, weight around 10 kilo, and look like a huge metal suitcase that could be carried like a backpack. Due to subventions, it would only cost around the price of a Medison celebrity laptop and there wouldn't be many alternatives to it. Japanese computers would be extremely expensive, whereas the USA wouldn't be capable of producing computers since its economy would have been thrown back for decades after the civil wars (1964-1975), which split up the country in a fascist south (except for parts of California which remained free but isolated and had to be protected by a large wall) and a liberal north.

In most parts of the world, life wouldn't be pleasant and most people in Europe would wear strange Bavarian-looking clothings or uniforms. :-(

Anonymous said...

Shoot, I wanna live in that alternate universe of yours.

Let's face it, it's not that bad, a ruggetized metal Volkscomputer, US being thrown into chaos. Weird clothes.

Mmmmmmhhh. Tasty.

amphibia said...

2CO said: "We are also happy..."

Bad parody. 2CO is never happy about anything. They're too mature to be happy. Happy is for kids.

Madsen said...

"Does goodwin's law apply to blogs too?"
Sure, it applies in any discussion online.

The really interesting question is, would Godwin's law also apply in 1940 if the internet existed already before WW2 (as in the situation Peter described)? :-p

Anonymous said...

First law of Godwin says:

1. any discussion online, sooner or later mentioned hitler, the nazis and WWII.

Second law says:

2. any discussion online about Hitler, WWII or nazis, mentions Goodlaw's first law, and what it applies to.

Anonymous said...

Shoot, I wanna live in that alternate universe of yours.

Let's face it, it's not that bad, a ruggetized metal Volkscomputer, US being thrown into chaos. Weird clothes.


You would enjoy it, until you would get arrested by the Gestapo for treason and abuse of Volkscomputer-power for personal purposes. Did I forget to mention that computing at home would be considered an unmanly and suspicious activity?

Anonymous said...

computing at home would be considered an unmanly and suspicious activity

Well, duh. Every woman in the world think computing is unmanly.

Have you ever seen Mike Rowe with a computer? Didn't think so!

Anonymous said...

I've seen Mike Rowe with a computer. The guy responds personally every day to fan emails, and even shoots webisodes for Discovery's web sites.

Anonymous said...

Who the fuck is Mike Rowe?

Anonymous said...

Mike Rowe's your daddy, that's who.

Peter said...

Guys, it's perhaps my fault to bring up that topic of what the Internet could do to stop the wrong person from becoming a prime minister or president. I believe the topic had some relevance as Valdi had announced his ambition of becoming prime minister of Sweden.

Forget about world wars and German engineered Volkscomputers please. It was not a good comparison I did.

I believe Valdi actually is a person with good values who just have no idea about how to execute his ideas to make them succeed.

Anonymous said...

Who's Mike Row?

Who's Mike Row???

Mike Rowe' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

Mike Rowe doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

If you ask Mike Rowe what time it is, he always says, "Two seconds till." After you ask, "Two seconds to what?" he kicks you in the face.

Mike Rowe lost his virginity before his dad did.

Mike Rowe does not sleep. He waits.

Mike Rowe is not hung like a horse... horses are hung like Mike Rowe

There are no disabled people. Only people who have met Mike Rowe.

The chief export of Mike Rowe is pain.

Mike Rowe recently had the idea to sell his urine as a canned beverage. We know this beverage as Red Bull.

On the 7th day, God rested.... Mike Rowe took over.

Although it is not common knowledge, there are actually three sides to the Force: the light side, the dark side, and Mike Rowe.

Mike Rowe drinks napalm to quell his heartburn.

Mike Rowe doesn't believe in Germany.

If you want a list of Mike Rowe' enemies, just check the extinct species list.

Mike Rowe has never blinked in his entire life. Never.

Mike Rowe once shot an enemy plane down with his finger, by yelling, "Bang!"

Mike Rowe doesn't need to swallow when eating food.

If Superman and The Flash were to race to the edge of space you know who would win? Mike Rowe.

Mike Rowe invented water.

Mike Rowe went looking for a bar but couldn't find one. He walked to a vacant lot and sat there. Sure enough within an hour an a half someone constructed a bar around him. He then ordered a shot, drank it, and then burned the place to the ground. Mike Rowe yelled over the roar of the flames, "always leave things the way you found em!"

Mike Rowe is Luke Skywalker's real father.

Mike Rowe does not use spell check. If he happens to misspell a word, Oxford will simply change the actual spelling of it.

Anonymous said...

Can't reach Valdi's weblog anymore :-(
Does anyone remember the newest entry?? The blog itself has already existed before Medison announced the Celebrity:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.medison.se/weblog/valdi/index.html

This guy seems to have planned this crap quite pedantically...

Peter said...

Hey you just made me see something kind of interesting:

Take a look at this Weblog from May 2007:

http://web.archive.org/web/
20070526111416/www.medison.se/newseng.html
(copy-paste in two parts)

Then compare with the latest version:

http://www.medison.se/newseng.html

So if there REALLY was a factory in Brazil in February, why would that news not be in the June version?

The February news was about Medison doing lectures about laptops for guys having girlfriends in Brazil:

February 2007
People are using super slim laptops for work, recreation and for communication. Many of us are sitting in coffe shops, more relaxed, but still getting some great work done. Instead of using the cell phone we use wireless headphones for the laptop and talk to mom in Florida or the girlfriend in Brazil. It's more inexpensvive and we can at the same time do other things simultaniously. Our products are adapted for the "Community People". We are now offering lectures about the future users. As a company you can't afford to miss it.


After June suddenly Valdi announced he already had a factory in February:

February 20, 2007
Brazil!
We have, together with partners, opened up a laptop factory in Brazil. The news was released by the company owner, Valdi Ivancic, who also says, "We are only assembling laptops in our plant in Sao Paulo now before our own plant will be ready for manufacturing".

I needed something like this. Those Brazilian guys assembling laptops since February, who are paying their salaries? :-)

Hey where can we sign up for this lecture and how much does it cost?

We are now offering lectures about the future users. As a company you can't afford to miss it.

I'm not a company personally, but hey, if I was I would need it...or what?

Let me laugh again.

marketer said...

Hey Peter,

Nice job!!!

I would love to have Valdi in a room and confront him with all his lies ... I guess that is what drives a lot of people reading and contributing to this blog ...

The problem would be, howver, that a pathological lier like Valdi would never admit to a lie ... he would only construct another lie to try to cover for the first one ... and this behavior makes most of us very mad ...

When I served in the military, we had a guy like this ... when we came back after a weekend, he had f*ked some super model, or been driving his sports car on some track ... everybody knew that he was lying, and when we tried to ignore him, he just came up with even more outragous stuff ... (just like Valdi --- so selling 300.000 lab-tops a month is not big enough for u ... eh ... well I am going to run for prime minister ....)

The two thing that amazes me the most in this soap opera is:

1. How can a fairly large company like 2CO take the risk of being associated with a guy like Valdi? Personally, I belive that if they new how to read Swedish they would have cut their losses a looooooooooooooooooooooong time ago. Now there are too much prestige, which I think will hurt them greatly in the end ...

2. Why is it that three other people with real jobs are willing to take the risk of being "Medison managers" Especilly people with names that are easy to remember. I think that they are nice people, but don't they understand that it is suicide to be associated with a pathological lier like Valdi. And this has NOTHING to do with if Valdi delivers a labtop or not. This has to do with that it is proven beyond a reasonable daught that Valdi has been lying. And this my friends, Per, Lauri, and Erik, makes you look VERY BAD! I know that you are reading this blog, so take some well ment advice ... if you go out now and make a public statment you are home free, but on the other hand, if you are not, your names will forever be associated with a pathological clown, and that my friends is very poor for your Resumé.

sad panda said...

Good application of Goodwin's Law.

The real question is, why hasn't anyone applied Hanlon's Razor to both www.medisonscam.info and www.medison.se?

Peter said...

marketer, yes I agree.

Oh another funny one...perhaps you or someone else can interpret the following quote from Valdi's web site (February 20 news added after June)?

"We are only assembling laptops in our plant in Sao Paulo now before our own plant will be ready for manufacturing".

What does it mean in English?

Specifically I'm quite curious what is the difference between "our plant in Sao Paolo" and "our own plant".

That sentence is nonsense to me.

Well, as marketer said, the underlying issue here is that Valdi is trying to impress and possibly establish a business by talking about achievements, partners, owning factories etc. even reality is a totally different one. It's a bit like if you apply for a job and write a resume full of lies. And actually we already know Valdi's resume for that tourist director job was like that too.

The list of lies is getting pretty long and it draws a clear picture of a guy who believes that he can succeed by using a lot if lies to create a great image of himself.

Seriously, please tell me ONE reason to believe in ANYTHING of what Valdi has said?

Anonymous said...

Peter, still waiting to name few of those ultrapopular products you were part of. I'm just half expecting it'll be iMac colors and IKEA wardrobes.

Anonymous said...

When Mike Rowe does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.

Anonymous said...

If at first you don't succeed, you're not Mike Rowe.

Anonymous said...

What Medison should have done is take million of venture capital, oay a webdev to make a proper site, start delivering actual laptops to the first 1000-2000 customers, then buy tons of alchohol, prostitutes, ferraris and luxury hotels and blow the rest of the VC this way.

Then file bankruptcy, get sued, and then go to jail.

At least this way he'd have some fun. But alas..

Anonymous said...

Valdi isn't crazy, he just got kicked in the head by Mike Rowe as a child.

amphibia said...

"At this time can't give a precise date for the delivery but we do ask you to be patient. We hope that you are satisfied with this reply"

That sounds like something fake Valdi would write.

Truth is stranger than fiction they say.

(f) Valdi Invancic said...

I'm sorry I just couldn't resist not to come back and give you the latest update on our venture, Medison Celebrity.

We've released the following statement to the press, and all our customers:

"Those who ordered laptops from us will have to wait until they retire, at which point we'll send someone to torture you, skin you alive, disembowel you and set your house and family on fire. We hope this provides more than enough value for the $150 you paid, and that you are satisfied with this reply."

Sincerely, Valdi Ivancic,
President & CEO,
Medison Oh-my-god-what-I-got-myself-into Europe Ltd.

Peter said...

Someone said: Peter, still waiting to name few of those ultrapopular products you were part of.

You can wait forever with your sick curiousity, sorry. I'm not talking Valdi nonsense though.

Anonymous said...

amphibia, you promised to stop posting as Valdi wannabe.

amphibia said...

I just said I won't. Didn't promise, spit on it, cross my fingers, hope to die.

Peter: if you'll be bragging about how amazing your products are and call "naming few" a "sick curiosity", you're nothing less than Valdi's lost twin brother to me.

We all like to spice up our life online, it's ok.

I mean, just killed 4 lions with my bare hands just 2 hours ago, I'm tired, I like to come here and talk as if I killed 8 of them in half the time for greater effect.

Anonymous said...

Don't make fun of Peter. His extensive portfolio includes working on products for such culture symbol trademarks as:

Naik, Pmua, Fuma, Mamoulex, SONIA, Phallips, Penesamic (aka Ponasoanic), ADSIDAS (aka ABCIDAS), Rolax, PolyStation, and last but not least, the Appla iPon.

Anonymous said...

ohohoho, anonymous, ur sooooo sued dude 4 defamation.

peter, sue that dude for defamation, dude.

Anonymous said...

Naik, Pmua, Fuma, Mamoulex, SONIA, Phallips, Penesamic (aka Ponasoanic), ADSIDAS (aka ABCIDAS), Rolax, PolyStation, and last but not least, the Appla iPon

Isn't he also the mastermind behind the famous "Ivår" shelf by Ilkea?

Bill Gates said...

I have followed this blog with great amusement whenever I had some spare time from my charity work.

In retrospective, I would say that the Medison celebrity laptop was flawed from the beginning, because it was intended to be a Linux-based machine.

People want an easy-to-use, up-and-running operating system with the superior graphical user experience that only Microsoft Windows Vista® can offer. Stay away from cheap imitations made by hobby enthusiasts!

If Medison Ldt. had put Microsoft Windows Vista Premium Edition® on the laptop and had sold it for $699 USD including free premium support for the first 3 weeks ($4.95 USD/minute afterwards), as I would have done, then the laptop would have been an instant success.

Robert Goren said...

What about that
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/TOIonline/India/HRD_hopes_to_make_10_laptops_a_reality/articleshow/1999849.cms

R. Goren said...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/
TOIonline/India/HRD_hopes_to_make_1
0_laptops_a_reality/articleshow/199
9849.cms

Anonymous said...

bill gates: hehe, best comment this far!

Peter said...

robert, that Indian article is interesting.

My first computer (Apple II) was with an 8 bit 1MHz 6502 CPU and 64K Byte of RAM back in around 1980. And no Operating System!

For poor nations there isn't really any reason why most people who never used a computer before would not find such low performance computing power similarly exciting as I remember everybody did back then.

Today even a cheap mobile phone often has much more computing power e.g. with a 32bit ARM7 CPU core on a SOC and running a real OS.

If someone really wanted to make a US$50 laptop that would even be able to beat the old Apple II on performance, the only major issue in keeping the BOM cost down would be the LCD display cost.

And I remember my first laptop from Toshiba was with a B/W display.

So, without doing a detailed BOM analysis I would guess such US$50 laptop would be possible:

Chipset: Single chip SOC architecture with CPU, peripheral controllers, I/O, graphics controller, on die RAM etc.
CPU core: ARM 7EJ-S 32 bit with Java acceleration
RAM: 16MB
Clock speed: 80MHz
I/O: 2 ports USB 2.0, composite TV out
Display: B/W LCD in VGA resolution
Disk system: Rely on USB drive
Operating system: Java interpreter - command line, J2ME compatible
Power supply: Wall mount switch mode

And compare such specs with the old popular US$ 1200 Apple II. We are talking factors of better performance!!!

But, this would not be a laptop for people who are spoiled with multi core and multi GHz performance - like I am now.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, the problem is that people in the industry put a lot of their creativity into inventing unnecessary and bloated technology like Java that is guaranteed to make everything slower.

Give the machine a decent OS and it will outperform Microsoft Office on Vista. Or, keep it slow and make it at leastr interesting---put a Lisp OS on it.

BTW, you should be able to get more RAM within the $50 limit.

Peter said...

Before starting to think what more you can add for the US$50; just reaching a price of US$50 would be critical enough.

The OLPC ended up at twice it's original target and the reasons are quite obvious.

The reason I suggest a J2ME compliant laptop is that you can get hardware acceleration with the ARM core (called Jazelle) and J2ME is a fine API for beginners who could then also run or develop mobile phone applications.

And of course J2ME would not exclude a C++ IDE environment to run on it or even a thin GUI OS.

Actually if the only firmware on the laptop is a boot loader that executes code from a USB drive, then every programming language and small scale OS would be possible to support.

But, don't expect a US$50 laptop to include a full featured web browser and Wifi like what the OLPC includes!

Anonymous said...

I question the assumption that the public will consider any portable computing device to be "a laptop" if it doesn't run Microsoft Vista. It's like calling your mobile phone or your digital watch a "computer" - on a geek level you're correct, but to the public, it's not.

Anonymous said...

LOL

You get hardware acceleration on every chip, just compile your code and see how it accelerates.

Of course, if you start with some weird, hand-taylored virtual machine abstraction layer, then you might need some special hardware to make it run faster. :P

Peter said...

My idea was a US$50 laptop. Not something to run an advanced OS like Windows or 3D games on.

But something that for a third world country could be sufficiently powerful to do everything and even more than what people succesfully managed their business with and played games on in the 80s. Like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II

And wouldn't an 80MHz 32 bit laptop with 16MB RAM be like a race car compared to those earlier 80s computers like PC-XT and Apple II?

And obviously, for gamers, you wouldn't be able to run Halo 3 on it, but for a third world kid who can't afford what is our standard of computing power and have no alternative; running something as the original Super Mario game on it written in optimized Assembler, wouldn't that be cool?

American kids were using the Apple II and first generation PCs (4.77MHz - 8 bits) in the schools during the 80s!

Now concerning the Celebrity at US$150: That's not possible.

Anonymous said...

If we really talk about what the poor need, it's not much computing at all. Those $50 would be enough to innoculate perhaps 5 kids, saving their lives. It might be enough to send one of them to school for a year. It would suffice to give them food for a month. I know it's not as exciting as building a new PC but it would serve humanity better at this stage.

Peter said...

Agree, the really poor people would be more eager to get food than a computer.

However, there is no single cure that can save all problems of the world but if the low income population of countries like India, Russia etc. can get more educated; then why not? (Sorry Valdi, I forgot to include Brazil)

And Valdi, if you truly know the magic of making that Celebrity laptop and sell it at US$150, please contact OLPC and they will hire you I'm sure. They apparently need a whole team for what you seem to be able to do on your own ;-)

http://www.laptop.org/en/jobs.shtml

Anonymous said...

We're waiting on the products, Peter. Or are they secret products in Brazil, US and Sweden.

Peter said...

Someone said:
You get hardware acceleration on every chip, just compile your code and see how it accelerates.

Of course, if you start with some weird, hand-taylored virtual machine abstraction layer, then you might need some special hardware to make it run faster. :P


Hey dude, of course any application running through an interpreter will never utilize the hardware as much as a compiled application. But you should know that ARM has a very widely popular Java hardware accelerator called Jazelle widely used in mobile phones for improved J2ME execution.

The US$50 laptop I was talking about is exactly as real as the US$150 Celebrity...LOL...

amphibia said...

For those not in the know, interpretation may be faster on a mobile device compared to compilation, because of the memory and CPU constraints of a mobile device.

Mobile devices (until recently) didn't have the memory and CPU required to quickly JIT a Java program in software, store the compiled result in memory and run that.

Jazelle isn't just an interpeter, it's a hardware part (with software companion piece) that works next to an ARM processor and which translates the Java code to ARM instruction in real time. This is faster than compiling in software, conserves memory and power.

You can think of it as if you had native Java CPU.

In fact, if you didn't know, modern Intel CPU's do a similar thing: they have a hardware translator that converts the x86 command set into internal RISC instructions carried out by the core. It's just faster this way. RISC processors are simpler to design and hence there are more resources left in creating better branch prediction etc.

peter, what products did you work on that I have?

Anonymous said...

Hey dude 'Pete', I know what 'Jazelle' is, but there is no need for an additional hardware accelerator unless you use languages/operating systems that rely on virtual machine abstraction layers instead of modern exokernels. LOL

There is no such thing as 'hardware acceleration' anyway, it's a meaningless buzzword. What you mean is a custom chip, which adapts the hardware to the peculiarities of a particular programming language such as Java or (earlier) Lisp, instead of vice versa. It's a flawed concept from the beginning. It didn't work with Lisp machines and will not work for Java, except for a few crappy mobile phone applications. It doesn't work for desktop hardware, since the speed of generic CPUs develops so fast that the specialized 'hardware accelerator' cannot keep pace and is soon outdated. The only domain where this rule doesn't apply is GPUs.

Anyway, what people in poor countries need is not an OLPC or Java-based mobile phone platform, they need the cheapest system built from off the shelf hardware that can run a desktop distribution of Linux and might possibly even run Windows, so they can develop for it.

Also, I can't see why anybody in a poor country would really need a laptop. In fact, nobody except very few salesman needs a laptop. People buy them, because they are fancy---usually as a second machine. Laptops are a luxury good, that's also one of the reasons why their prices are kept artificially high.

It's also weird that people always talk about children. Honestly speaking, I fail to see why any child, be it poor or not, needs his/her own laptop before its 16th birthday, except of course for playing Halo 3 and browsing for porn on it. (Halo 3 sucks anyway, so we can leave that out of the equation.) I admit that I've had my first computer at the age of 12 (a ZX-81, so you can estimate my age fairly well), but I'm sure that it didn't give me any advantage or boost for my later life. I'd say my guitar was much more useful.

Poor children need: food, a stable family, the right and obligation to go to school (the largest problem), good school books and particularly good math books and math teachers, health care, and stable, democratic, and incorrupt govemnents.

Here is an example of how this help could be organized. US military budget for 2007 is US $532.8 Billion (according to Wikipedia, so don't take it too literally). Cutting this in half would give you 266.4 billion dollars. I'll leave it as an exercise to others to figure out how many Dell laptops you could buy for this money and give away for free to poor people in developing countries.

But food, medical supplies, and better education are more important in many regions of the world.

BTW, sorry for the long post. :-)

amphibia said...

It didn't work with Lisp machines and will not work for Java, except for a few crappy mobile phone applications. It doesn't work for desktop hardware, since the speed of generic CPUs develops so fast that the specialized 'hardware accelerator' cannot keep pace and is soon outdated.

You kinda negated your point. Yes, it just works on few "crappy mobile applications" and this is our topic.

With mobile applications not just speed of concern, but also power efficiency. Translating in software on a generic ARM chip takes more power and shortens the battery life of the device.

MIT can't give kids food and water. That's up to their governments. MIT is about technology. If kids get their laptops before they get their food, it meat MIT did their job faster than the people responsible for the rest.

Introducing kids to computers at 16 is laughable. The kids that grow up now in environment where they are exposed to computers and programming before age of 7, will see tasks seen as complex by present day programmers as simple.

Computer literacy is approaching importance similar to basic literacy (ability to you know, read) and this will be more and more important, and there will be lots of new jobs in the industry. This means investments in those poor countries, and they will ultimately be able to build better infrastructure for quality food and water, roads, buildings and so on, with those money.

It's easy to be so negative when you're watching aside.

Peter said...

I agree Amphibia. Surely the gap between poor nations and rich nations is widening due to the educational system in the poor nations not providing equal opportunities and access to computers.

Hey you guys are funny. The point was to get truly dirt cheap on cost. The ARM7 CPU is relatively cost efficient at high volumes and yes, surely Intel's CPU architecture can beat it on performance. But the ARM7 core is widely common in SOC designs and cost efficient to license.

For the target market of such a computer (perhaps typical monthly salary of 50US$) you can forget about standard parts supporting Windows.

It's funny how we all learn to increase our expectations. I totally admit I would never be able to accept the old computers I used years before like my first PC, but I also clearly remember how these computers had great value in my education.

Yes, ZX-81 was a piece of toy for most people but a PC-XT was widely used successfully by professionals and students even it was running DOS at 4.77MHz. I didn't even have a harddisk in my first PC and relied on floppy disks only. Now I have 1 TB of harddisk space in my main PC equal to 6250000 of those 160K floppy disks.

And I was able to run MS DOS, a Turbo C compiler environment and source files on one floppy drive!

Now my Windows Vista OS and Visual Studio installation are taking a good chunk of the 1TB of data.

I know if someone came with an 80MHz 32 bit PC with a 2GB Flash USB drive back in 1980, EVERYBODY would have seen it as some sort of super computer at that time!

It's funny how we got spoiled so quickly.

Anonymous said...

Now my Windows Vista OS and Visual Studio installation are taking a good chunk of the 1TB of data.

If Vista (4-5 GB) and Visual Studio (4-5 GB again) take a "good chunk" of your 1 TB disk, then congratulations, you somehow have the sloppiest install of Win+VS in the world.

Anonymous said...

sorry if this allready have been taken up, but have you noticed the link in the "ad" section of medisoncelebrity? ( http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/accessories.html ) the middle left ad links to tele2.. bug or feature? ;)

Anonymous said...

Introducing kids to computers at 16 is laughable. The kids that grow up now in environment where they are exposed to computers and programming before age of 7, will see tasks seen as complex by present day programmers as simple.

That claim is ridiculous. Later in life strong math skills are needed in many areas, whereas general programming skills are barely needed---at least not more than, say, good drawing skills. Besides, of course nobody will get any programming skills just by being exposed to a computer. Which brings us back to the real problems, namely that a computer will not be of any assistance in the education of children whose parents cannot afford to send them to school or who will die a few years later anyway because of hunger, diseases, or violence.

Computer literacy is approaching importance similar to basic literacy (ability to you know, read) and this will be more and more important, and there will be lots of new jobs in the industry.

If you expose children at the age of 7 to computers, the net effect will be worse reading and writing skills, generally lower school grades, and no significant improvement in mathematical reasoning abilities. Anyway, children at the age of 7 primarily need to develop social skills first.

You know, whenever I hear about the OLPC and similar projects, a certain picture pops to my mind: that of a 12 year old children soldier, holding an AK-47 in one hand, and an OLPC in the other hand. (OLPC are nearly ideal for military use as cheap communication and encryption devices.)

Anonymous said...

Whoever is the first to post after me, will be diagnosed with terminal phase of metastatic cancer within 3 months, will have to go throw multiple incredibly painful and long chemotherapy sessions and will die within 12 months.

Anonymous said...

Hi Valdi
I'm first and get lost.

Pete

Peter said...

Microsoft fanboy said:
If Vista (4-5 GB) and Visual Studio (4-5 GB again) take a "good chunk" of your 1 TB disk, then congratulations, you somehow have the sloppiest install of Win+VS in the world.
Alright I admit "good chunk" is maybe an exaggeration. But 10GB is still 500 times the total capacity of my first 20MB Seagate harddisk.

We need some news about what Valdi is up to...and Tommy, please remove that comment from some sicko above.

Anonymous said...

Lol peter
like 60% of the comments on this blog are made by....

Anonymous said...

Lol peter
like 60% of the comments on this blog are made by you....

(misspelled)

Anonymous said...

shce said---

http://www.2checkout.com/community/support/topic.php?id=396&page&replies=3

Well, I tried.

I think I'm going to fold. These PCs will be so obsolete by the time they're shipped, you'll be able to buy a skidload for 150$

Peter said...

Someone said: Lol peter
like 60% of the comments on this blog are made by you....


Yes, time to get a life - and it's weekend. Next week I'll be at CEATEC in Japan so someone else can get the "honor" from now.

Anonymous said...

Good luck, Peter.

The first one to post comment after me will get AIDS from a male prostitute at the hotel around CEATEC, Japan. I swear she looked exactly like a woman!!

Anonymous said...

Microsoft fanboy said:

Uh... common sense is called "Microsoft fanboy" now?

5+5 = 10 GB

1 TB = 1000 GB

You're such a loser, Peter.

Anonymous said...

Someone said: Lol peter
like 60% of the comments on this blog are made by you....

Yes, time to get a life - and it's weekend. Next week I'll be at CEATEC in Japan so someone else can get the "honor" from now.


--------------------------------

You now have over 9000 social points for being so cool in the blogs comment section.

Anonymous said...

I guess we now have Valdi and a few kids in here left adding comments.

For you kids, the first Microsoft OS I used was called MS DOS 2.11 back in the 80s.

MS DOS 2.11: 16KB
Vista: 4GB.

So Vista is 250,000 times more memory consuming.

Besides the more intuitive user interface and the multi processing capabilities of Vista, MS DOS could pretty much enable the same actual use cases.

So tell me one reason why a poor kid in Africa need a multi GB hard disk in a laptop to learn from?

peter said...

Over 9000 social points! Jeez, that's the best social thing that happened to me in my life.

BTW, next month I'll fly to Mars and they'll take me to their leader.

We'll discuss important things there. So important, I can't tell you about it all, or you might explode from the importantnessity of those things.

amphibia said...

Peter is by far the most f**ked up person to post on this blog, after me.





Wait.. wait.. got the new charts in. He's the most f**ked up person now.

kelly said...

what are you fags doing? let's discuss a laptop, and stop being fucking tools.

Optimism, disappointment, relevant news, ect.

Anonymous said...

amphibia no need to worry. You are the absolute most f.... up person who have succesfully pulled the average IQ of this blog down in the basement.

Anonymous said...

Valdi, did you find a new job?

amphibia said...

You are the absolute most f.... up person who have succesfully pulled the average IQ of this blog down in the basement.

Hehe, you're too generous, you need to claim some of this to yourself, Peter.

At least if you'll post anonymous alter your presentation a bit.

Hwo abuot proo motr sklils, bad eie sghit, diuslexix gyu?

valdi ivancic said...

Yes I found a new job. I hired myself in Medison as assembly factory guy, and quit my CEO job.

But now we're in need of a CEO. I consider going for it.

Sincerely,
Valdi Ivancic,
Assembly Worker,
Medison Europe Limited.

Anonymous said...

"Medison Celebrity: Scam or just a bad idea?"

The answer is yes it was a scam.
The silence from Medsion is the proof.

The blogg is turning into a bullshitting forum like the energy fraud forum at www.Steorn.com

The Medison Celebrity is hereby declared dead :

'E's not pinin'!
'E's passed on!
This parrot is no more!
He has ceased to be!
'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
'E's a stiff!
Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace!
If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies!
'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory!
'E's off the twig!
'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil,
run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!

THIS IS A SCAM!!"

Anonymous said...

medisoncelebrity.com is creating av cookie-file on my computer.

Is medisioncelebrity a swedish or site at the moment ? Swedish websites are supposed to have information about the usage and purpose of the sites cookie-files. Do Medsion provide this information anywhere at medisoncelebrity ?

Post och telestyrelsen:
"Har du cookies på din webbplats måste du på ett tydligt sätt informera om att webbplatsen innehåller cookies, vad dessa används till och hur besökaren kan undvika cookies."


http://www.pts.se/Sidor/sida.asp?SectionId=1930#Vad%20s%E4ger%20lagen%3F

Anonymous said...

For what it's worth, ZDNet's officially given up on this one.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=6461

Anonymous said...

All papers (in Sweden at least)who were so urgent to write abaout the 150$ laptop, where are they? No one so far has wrote what we all new from early august. That this is a SCAM. I want to the see the people behind Medison behind bars!
And screw the so called journalists!

Pete

Anonymous said...

So Pete, I can see from your IP you are working at Ericsson so it must be with mobile phones.