Saturday, July 28, 2007

Other strange things

  • The domain medisoncelebrity.com has been registered for the term of only one year with a hotmail-address and a cellphone number as contact.
  • The company only exist as a one man business in Sweden, and as a 1£-company in UK.
  • The address that the company is registered at is a known address for 1£-companies that just need an address in UK because they don't have any own address there.
  • There are many claims on their company website that can't be validated.
  • On one the other companies (http://www.unitedkeys.com/) that the owner claims to have created haven't delivered one of their supposed products for as long as it has existed.
  • No one from Medison has given any answer to the claims found on this website or others. The only thing they claim over and over again is that the deal is legitimate, but not providing any proofs that it actually is.
  • The founder of the company has claimed that this is just the first step of the business. One of the next steps will be to sell computers with gold and diamonds for 10 000 - 20 000 USD each.
  • Several sources with inside information from the market claims the price (including free freight) is impossible. The LCD-display itself should be the most expensive part, and that alone is US$70 at least.
  • Medison claims that they make profit on each and every sold laptop.
  • The delivery time has changed from 4-6 weeks to up to three months.
  • Medison is selling ad-space on their page for "U$ 2 million".

10 comments:

wertigon said...

Some of these things aren't as strange as they may seem...

The company only exist as a one man business in Sweden, and as a 1£-company in UK.

Actually, it's not a one-man business, it's a "Handelsbolag", which you must be atleast two persons to start up. See this link for more info (swedish site).

There are many claims on their company website that can't be validated.

Just because they cannot be validated does not mean they aren't true, but it does give a lot less credibility to them.

The founder of the company has claimed that this is just the first step of the business. One of the next steps will be to sell computers with gold and diamonds for 10 000 - 20 000 USD each.

Selling luxury items as well as laptops for a give-away price isn't as far fetched as one might think, actually. In either case this argument has nothing to do with the discussion and should be removed.

Several sources with inside information from the market claims the price (including free freight) is impossible. The LCD-display itself should be the most expensive part, and that alone is US$70 at least.

Considering all prices listed are without VAT, the price isn't completely impossible. But, it is suspiciously low.

Medison claims that they make profit on each and every sold laptop.

If this claim, coupled with what I have to say about the ads below is true, it means Medison is making a huge deal of money through ads, and might even ship these ads along with the computer.

The delivery time has changed from 4-6 weeks to up to three months.

If it is as they claim and they've simply been overthrown with all the orders they've received, then this delay is reasonable. Still suspicious though.

Medison is selling ad-space on their page for "U$ 2 million".

While this is true, that's their TOP TIER offer. They also sell ad space for the more reasonable prices of $15 000 and $50 000. I also suspect these ads will also come with every laptop sold, maybe in the form of so-called "craplets".

This deal certainly stinks, but it doesn't stink enough to convince me it's fake (though, their plan *is* poorly executed). I really think you should make a post where you list things that point in the other direction as well (like the fact that they're using 2Checkout for their payments), in order to keep your objectivity and avoid mass hysteria...

And name your sources! It's not that I do not trust you, but you're saying I should take your word for this being a scam? How do I know you're not someone with a personal vendetta against poor Ivan? :p

- Wert

Disclaimer: I am not in any way affiliated with Medison, just a Swedish Citizen/Netizen looking for a cheap laptop... ;)

Wertigon said...

Also (sorry for double posting), the argument of this only being the first step gives in fact slightly more credibility to the deal in my eyes. It indicates that these $150 laptops and adverts won't be the only revenue source.

Truth Seeker said...

1. What company anme would that be? If you check Näringslivsregistret, the only company bearing the Medison name is Medison Comsulting, which is an "enskilt företag" and not a "handelsbolag". All the "handelsbolag" has been uregistered as companies. See http://www.bolagsverket.se/snr

2. Correct. I don't have time to translate all the information that I have collected, just wanted people to be aware of it.

3. I belive that is a strange thing to do for a company that should sell US$150 computers.

4. The price of the display I mention is also without VAT.

5. http://www.idg.se/2.1085/1.115025

6. As I have written elsewhere, it seems VERY strange that a company that seriously beleives that they can sell a $150 computer would understand the tremendous interest and be prepared for it?

7. Do you see any ads at all?


Yes, I've been working with alot of more information and posts, but I have a life too. It will come however, same as links to sources. Much of the information has however been collected from anonymous sources and can't be validated. You have to choose to belive it or not.

Truth Seeker said...

Also, if it was a vendetta, why would I avoid mention any names?

Wertigon said...

[Company forms] Okay. My bad. That clears that up then, I was under the impression that it was one of the deregistered companies. :)

[advertising] While there are no adverts around yet, I still think that their business model is based on adverts. The high prices for ads leads me to believe it even more so. Also, the margins he were referring to could be with laptop+ads.

[Vendetta] Gee, I don't know... Valdi went out with his name and stuff, would he have done that if he were a scammer? ;)

Don't get me wrong - I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just interested in finding out the truth and weeding out the misinformation, from both sides. And I'm having a hard time to believe anything anyone says without a way to verify. Especially on the internet, where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents. ;)

Regards,
- Wert

Wertigon said...

Finally, with regards to the 3-month delivery time; that's not a *set* date. Delivery will take *up to* three months, so delivery can take anything between 1-3 months.

And, hell, the Nintendo Wii is also a runaway success and Nintendo is having trouble meeting demand even now, eight months after launch. And they knew the market was screaming for their consoles. It's possible that this is a similar thing. Valdi have said they can produce 20 000 units/month, isn't it quite possible that 60 000+ orders already have been met? Even despite all the rumors about a scam?

I still don't find the 3-month thing to be impossible.

Anonymous said...

You are comparing Nintendo to this 5 person company... nice :-)

Anonymous said...

No, I'm trying to make the point that even big companies make mistakes in estimations. It's possible Medison was relying on viral marketing, but didn't expect to get slashdotted and plastered all over the intarweb so soon.

Anonymous said...

couldn't they just limit the number of laptops allowed to be ordered then?

Motin said...

Correction of spelling: You must mean the domain medisoncelebrity.com. I just registered medisoncelbrity.com and am redirecting it to your blog. Cheers